First Liberal Leadership "Debate"
I made plenty of notes from the debates while I eagerly watched in hopes of seeing something interesting. I wasn't too impressed that Newsworld cut off their coverage a mere 30 minutes in, but I think I had seen enough by then anyhow.
There seemed to be alot of argument about the definition of Liberal values. Best I could gather most candidates thought Social Justice, Universal Healthcare and Environmental Stewarship were Liberal values. There was alot of talk about "Aboriginal issues" - probably a direct result of the Conservatives canning Kelowna and the recent and ongoing dispute (read: illegal activity) in Caledonia. In fact, EVERY candidate went out of thier way to espouse a commitment to multiculturalism, minority rights AND aboriginal issues. Why aren't first nations people's considered minorities? I don't know.
Anyhow, a lot of interesting topics were covered by the candidates. One particular debate-like event occurred between Stephane Dion, Bob Rae and Micheal Ignatieff regading the recent extension of the Canadian commitment in Afghanistan:
Ignatieff - "We must be present in both Darfur and Afghanistan. We must have a combat capable military force. I supported the extention to our commitment in Afghanistan. We are a serious country… If we are to remain serious we should stay in Afghanistan until we get the job done"
Rae - "I disagree with Micheal profoundly on this issue. I really do think its unfair that we are put in the position where if we don’t support the motion to extend the commitment that somehow we don’t support the troops. The risk we run is that the missions must be very carefully chosen… with a combat force engaged in counter insurgency we will lose our way as peacekeepers. Are we prepared to craft an independent foreign policy that goes back to Pearson and Trudeau?"
Stephane Dion was very animated, and switched frequently between French and English - and the translation on Newsworld was terrible.... here are my notes on his thoughts on Afghanistan:
"Afghanistan… we dont have adequate information now… Harper made the decision and it was irresponsible."
Some other interesting quotes/thoughts:
Scott Brison on Equalization - "...is fundamental. I got a good education because of it in Nova Scotia. I think a 10 prov standard makes sense. Equalization is based on tax revenue, I don’t think that makes sense. It should be based on GDP." (My comments: Yes, EQ made his education affordable even though NS has more post secondary institutions than Alberta and BC. Dalhousie, SFX, UCCB, St Marys, etc etc. Glad Equalization is paying for that)
Stephane Dion on Equalization - "This a debate. No one here has even expressed an opinion. Fiscal capacity must be equal. We’re not talking about economy… we need to count all ten provinces including resource revenues". (My comments: At least he gave an opinion)
Overall, I was impressed with Gerard Kennedy, who really seems to want to get the party back to it's progressive social roots. Stephane Dion, Micheal Ignatieff and Bob Rae were also very impressive. Not much policy talk, except from Dion who is very impassioned and very obviously has more experience than everyone else.
Many of the candidates showed inexperience with foreign policy questions. In particular (no offense meant here) the female candidates got lost with the Afghanistan Question and Foreign Aid. Hedy Fry was particularly unimpressive.
Round 2 is next Saturday - I will be in Montreal and likely unable to watch! Someone take notes?!
There seemed to be alot of argument about the definition of Liberal values. Best I could gather most candidates thought Social Justice, Universal Healthcare and Environmental Stewarship were Liberal values. There was alot of talk about "Aboriginal issues" - probably a direct result of the Conservatives canning Kelowna and the recent and ongoing dispute (read: illegal activity) in Caledonia. In fact, EVERY candidate went out of thier way to espouse a commitment to multiculturalism, minority rights AND aboriginal issues. Why aren't first nations people's considered minorities? I don't know.
Anyhow, a lot of interesting topics were covered by the candidates. One particular debate-like event occurred between Stephane Dion, Bob Rae and Micheal Ignatieff regading the recent extension of the Canadian commitment in Afghanistan:
Ignatieff - "We must be present in both Darfur and Afghanistan. We must have a combat capable military force. I supported the extention to our commitment in Afghanistan. We are a serious country… If we are to remain serious we should stay in Afghanistan until we get the job done"
Rae - "I disagree with Micheal profoundly on this issue. I really do think its unfair that we are put in the position where if we don’t support the motion to extend the commitment that somehow we don’t support the troops. The risk we run is that the missions must be very carefully chosen… with a combat force engaged in counter insurgency we will lose our way as peacekeepers. Are we prepared to craft an independent foreign policy that goes back to Pearson and Trudeau?"
Stephane Dion was very animated, and switched frequently between French and English - and the translation on Newsworld was terrible.... here are my notes on his thoughts on Afghanistan:
"Afghanistan… we dont have adequate information now… Harper made the decision and it was irresponsible."
Some other interesting quotes/thoughts:
Scott Brison on Equalization - "...is fundamental. I got a good education because of it in Nova Scotia. I think a 10 prov standard makes sense. Equalization is based on tax revenue, I don’t think that makes sense. It should be based on GDP." (My comments: Yes, EQ made his education affordable even though NS has more post secondary institutions than Alberta and BC. Dalhousie, SFX, UCCB, St Marys, etc etc. Glad Equalization is paying for that)
Stephane Dion on Equalization - "This a debate. No one here has even expressed an opinion. Fiscal capacity must be equal. We’re not talking about economy… we need to count all ten provinces including resource revenues". (My comments: At least he gave an opinion)
Overall, I was impressed with Gerard Kennedy, who really seems to want to get the party back to it's progressive social roots. Stephane Dion, Micheal Ignatieff and Bob Rae were also very impressive. Not much policy talk, except from Dion who is very impassioned and very obviously has more experience than everyone else.
Many of the candidates showed inexperience with foreign policy questions. In particular (no offense meant here) the female candidates got lost with the Afghanistan Question and Foreign Aid. Hedy Fry was particularly unimpressive.
Round 2 is next Saturday - I will be in Montreal and likely unable to watch! Someone take notes?!